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I've been posting this everywhere, on Sealife, mytribe, delphiforums...its time to come out with the great work instead of holding back. This is the message of my dreams!!!
Sometimes it is like stepping out on a limb to share my personal work. I am a lone-wolf thelemite and in my 22 years of study, this is a map of my discoveries. Not a 3-D temple, definitely an astral temple!
As one O.T.O. High Priest once refered to me as "You are the out-spoken thelemite!" (made me think for a moment somebody was listening...SMILE)
people.delphiforums.com/sunwol...SS.html
Sometimes it is like stepping out on a limb to share my personal work. I am a lone-wolf thelemite and in my 22 years of study, this is a map of my discoveries. Not a 3-D temple, definitely an astral temple!
As one O.T.O. High Priest once refered to me as "You are the out-spoken thelemite!" (made me think for a moment somebody was listening...SMILE)
people.delphiforums.com/sunwol...SS.html
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Re: O.O. Order of the Revised Silverstar
Thu, December 29, 2005 - 3:18 AM"With the O.O.O. the transcendental nature, can open the horizons, for the aspirant.
But one shouldn't rush in where fools dare not tread. Some people fall to pieces when the gross masks that they wear fall off. They are tossed between paranoia and reflection of the key insights mirrored in others. Ultimately The Ceremony of Light is a planetary initiation. We accept anyone who asks into initiation."
Excuse me everybody for being rude, but it sounds like you a hemoirroidic asshole who is trying to make yet another dogma that is "the" way at the expense of all other ways, which in years to come will reach the ultimate evolution of all "the" ways, which is to kill all the infidels and heretics that dare disagree with you. You know, Christianity, Catholicism, Muslim, all those wonderfully bloody religions.
If by some off chance you are not a manipulative asshole trying to start your own cult of kool-aid drinkers, and you are a kind-hearted but naive and overzealous fool, you need to take you site down and go over the wording very carefully before you put it back up. As an ex-minister in SoCal I unfortunately had a lot of dealings with cults and kool-aid drinkers, and almost every single paragraph on your site reminds me of them.
Don't know what I'm talking about or why I'm so upset? While you never directly say so, your site intimates that you have some recently aqcuired word of knowledge, that your "way" is somehow special and new, that there is no other way to achieve this special knowledge than through your way. There are tons of people out there, expecially teens and kids, looking for some "special knowledge". Once you or someone else in your little club realizes there is a certain type of people attracted to "secret knowledge", and those people are usually fucked up, gullible, and suseptible to suggestion, it won't be long before the kool-aid drinking starts.
What you have really done is attempted to create your own tradition. There's nothing wrong with that, though why the fuck you would post it on a chaos discussion leads me to think you're either stupid or ignorant. But if you are honest, you need to make it exceedingly clear on your cute little $2.99 website that this is your tradition, that you have invented nothing new but simply created your own path, but there are plenty of other recognized and valid traditions out there. And if not, I'm going to gently suggest to all my chaos friends that they practise their curses on you. -
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Re: O.O. Order of the Revised Silverstar
Fri, December 30, 2005 - 11:09 PMMy, I didn't intend to press anyone's buttons.
This is something I've been doing for the last 10 years, and my intent in posting it was to share it with others. It is my path only and not intended to be a cult or a group.
I have no interest in leading that. This is a lone Thelemites own self-discovery and map of the magick territory.
Interesting, I've had a number of different responses, but none of this bent. It almost sounds like a flame.
Well at least you read it.
Did you even like the booklist?
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Re: O.O. Order of the Revised Silverstar
Fri, December 30, 2005 - 11:11 PMWhy would I post it to a Chaos discussion?
Chaos is a big part of magick, dreaming, and possibility for a new foundation and a new future. Maybe we will just continue to stare at our navels and chant how depressing life is?
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Re: O.O. Order of the Revised Silverstar
Fri, December 30, 2005 - 11:40 PMAh you're the drunk philospher. Maybe you forgot what you posted to me, but all those names, naive, hemoiroidic asshole, etc don't feel like they define me, but being a Thelemite I'll embrace them and try them on for size.
What the world needs is another dogma, though I think I was sharing ideas about ritual. It could be my own undoing if more people like you respond in kind. I might just take it off the net and curse the day I was born. But I don't think so.
If you wish to know the bottomline of why I shared it on Tribes because I wanted to contribute. That's all.
Thanks for getting me going. Your response stirred up some kool things. Happy new moon.
Let me see, what is my sacred word this week?
Doesn't eveyone have a new word?
How about asscave? Maybe the definition would be 'a really deep asshole'.
Here are some other kool memes:
Suboccult would mean a much hidden, secret order.
Insulane: the riding lane space cars take when carpooling.
Ambitage: a pill anarchist take to make them indifferent to chaos.
Psyxil: a pill psychics take when they are stuck only in the intuitive reality tunnel.
Oneirorine: Marines who are part of a black ops dream program.
Schizological: a person stuck totally into the logical reality tunnel. There is no pill for these.
Mymymys: A Mime addict.
Slurivish- a drunken psychic state of a certain spinning motion or a slurred otherworldy language. " a swirling slurivish " as opposed to a whirling dervish.
Progressence- the constantly expanding nature of the omniessence progressing through waves of change.
'Confusionism' the ancient chinese organizing principle underlying governmental communication.
'Esoterrorist' one who teaches ancient spriritual wisdom through applied fear.
'Distimulation' the reduction of erotic tension by lying.
'Imagnification' describing the size of the fish you just caught.
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Re: O.O. Order of the Revised Silverstar
Sat, December 31, 2005 - 6:23 AMLook, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you're quickly proving yourself to be of less than average intelligence.
First, your screen name does not define your reality. Are you a wolf that lives in the sun? Am I drunk all the time? The fact that I even have to point this out irritates me.
I'm not going to go through the laundry list of the intellectual subtleties that you took at face value or missed altogether. One thing I will point out, though, is that Chaos is a philosophy of magick that rejects all dogmas, traditions, and paradigms; so why the hell would you even tell us about your new dogma and expect us to care?
I usually ignore people after they prove that they have thin skin or below average intelligence. However, from my years as a Baptist minister I see that you are making a mistake that could potentially harm people. Only because of this am I spending any more of my energy on you. Since you seem to be incapable of separating sarcasm from truth, I will attempt to be nice and tell you what you are doing wrong in small simple words.
You have started your own tradition. Fine. No problem. Now listen: the wording of your website sounds similar to other cults I have run across over the years. By "cult" I don't mean "religion"; I mean a group that uses religion to exert control over people and exploit them for the benefit of the group leaders. You might say that definition applies to fundamental Christians, and you'd be right. Fundamental anything is dangerous.
Here, do some research:
www.religioustolerance.org/destruct.htm
www.mayhem.net/Crime/cults1.html
www.factnet.org/
The fix for this is simple. You go through your website and tone down the phrasing of your amazing epiphanies so it doesn't sound like God himself licked your left nut. Make it clear that this is one tradition out of many legitimate traditions. Problem solved. -
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Re: O.O. Order of the Revised Silverstar
Sat, December 31, 2005 - 10:06 PMI got the name Sunwolf from a dream I had years ago.
I do have the a copy of Witchcraft, Satanism and Ritual Crime: Who's Who and What's What. Interesting reading.
Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt. Sorry that I missed your intellectual subtleties. Sometimes things go over my head, and later I might grok them. I will try not to match tones with you.
I think also Thelema doesn't believe in dogma either, but rather focuses on experiential rites and rituals. This is what I am talking about. Just the fact that this doesn't translate to you in the intent that I present it is further proof that chaos exists.
I am starting nothing. I've already gone through it. The site has been up for 3 years, and I didn't bother to share it with people until now.
So I guess its finished in that sense.
Happy New Year.
I'll be around. Thanks for you comments. I will take them, and comments from others into a whole account as time and space permit me. Also I look forward to exploring other areas here. Then I will decide how to edit, or leave it the same. I do listen to constructive criticism.
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Re: O.O. Order of the Revised Silverstar
Sat, December 31, 2005 - 8:56 AM>'Esoterrorist' one who teaches ancient spriritual wisdom through applied fear.<
I love this one and it's going in my job description!
Good luck with your cult. We need more of them.
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Re: O.O. Order of the Revised Silverstar
Sun, January 1, 2006 - 1:11 AMI forgot, Uncle Chuckie. Chaos also rejects modern morality. Go stir the kool aid in peace, sunwolf. -
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Re: O.O. Order of the Revised Silverstar
Sun, January 1, 2006 - 3:20 AMYes, good luck with your cult of complaints.
If I haven’t followed your implied or mysterious protocol, forgive me. If you point the direction that I can read this chaos protocol, I will read it and then follow the guidelines.
Never here or on my O.O.O.R.S.S. have I said that I know more than you or others, that I have some higher intelligence or anything of that nature. All I have provided is a map that I have shared in hopes that I can learn with others and perhaps talk of things of interest. Since you don’t seem to have any interests I am not sure of why you keep railing against this. What are you afraid of?
Myself, I developed this system from my own self-initiations, and I’ve gone through the cycle 3 times, and each time I have gleaned some information and insight from it. So I figured it was worth sharing. I’d love to hear more of other people’s model or map for raising consciousness and awareness. It doesn't mean it is necessary for anyone else, and I don't expect anyone to "join". In fact, I wouldn't want to handle such an undertaking as a company or corporation.
But I am on to other things, as this is what I am about. I am not here to start some group. Though some cults are ok. Take the boy scouts of America. Following their rules, and protocol teaches some really good moral fiber.
‘Footnote To Howl
Allen Ginsberg
“Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy!
Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy!
The world is holy! The soul is holy! The skin is holy!
The nose is holy! The tongue and cock and hand
and asshole holy!
Everything is holy! everybody's holy! everywhere is
holy! everyday is in eternity! Everyman's an
angel!
The bum's as holy as the seraphim! the madman is
holy as you my soul are holy!
The typewriter is holy the poem is holy the voice is
holy the hearers are holy the ecstasy is holy!
Holy Peter holy Allen holy Solomon holy Lucien holy
Kerouac holy Huncke holy Burroughs holy Cas-
sady holy the unknown buggered and suffering
beggars holy the hideous human angels!
Holy my mother in the insane asylum! Holy the cocks
of the grandfathers of Kansas!
Holy the groaning saxophone! Holy the bop
apocalypse! Holy the jazzbands marijuana
hipsters peace & junk & drums!
Holy the solitudes of skyscrapers and pavements! Holy
the cafeterias filled with the millions! Holy the
mysterious rivers of tears under the streets!
Holy the lone juggernaut! Holy the vast lamb of the
middle class! Holy the crazy shepherds of rebell-
ion! Who digs Los Angeles IS Los Angeles!
Holy New York Holy San Francisco Holy Peoria &
Seattle Holy Paris Holy Tangiers Holy Moscow
Holy Istanbul!
Holy time in eternity holy eternity in time holy the
clocks in space holy the fourth dimension holy
the fifth International holy the Angel in Moloch!
Holy the sea holy the desert holy the railroad holy the
locomotive holy the visions holy the hallucina-
tions holy the miracles holy the eyeball holy the
abyss!
Holy forgiveness! mercy! charity! faith! Holy! Ours!
bodies! suffering! magnanimity!
Holy the supernatural extra brilliant intelligent
kindness of the soul!”
Berkeley 1955
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